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 Post subject: Tau rumors on BoLS
PostPosted: Jan 17 2010 05:18 
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http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/s ... php?t=4575

Sounds a little interesting, no?

For those that might not be able to get through the link-
These are the more reasonable rumors related to Tau that have been floating around the internet.

A new codex is in planning, likely slated for 2012, possibly 2011.

Crisis Suits and Broadsides are getting new models. The crisis suit update has apparently been completed for quite some time because GW was unhappy with the fragility of the model (particularily at the ankles). It's possible that the Crisis Suit model will be released before the next codex update, but GW will have to work it into their busy release schedule.

Several Tau models are no longer able to be ordered.

A higher-up at GW stated long ago that, "with every Tau release they will get new allies." There was a sighting of a centaur-like model in progress at GW in 2009, which led to rumors that a new Tau codex might come with Tallerians as allies. The Lexicanum on Tallerians: "Tarellians are a minor reptilian species of alien found throughout much of the galaxy. They are commonly known as Tarellian Dog-soldiers, because of their snouted faces and their habit of working as mercenaries. During the Great Crusade the Imperium virus-bomed most of their home worlds, almost wiping the species out. For this reason they have a great grudge against the Imperium. The Tarellians have not been conquered by the Tau but are often found fighting as mercenaries in their armies, particularly when the war is against humans."

Commander Shadowsun is being either removed or completely reworked, as she was intended as a special release for Cities of Death

The new codex will include a large number of new named characters

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I don't want to be cynical about this, as I desperately hope that a Tau dex will come in 2011, but TBH I read these rumours a while ago and I'd put them down to a mix of educated guessing and wishlisting. If you tot up the armies that require a new dex, GW's release cycle and factor in that the Tau need (make that deserve) a better dex then 2011 or 2012 at the latest is a reasonable guess. That and the fact Tau battlesuits, especially Broadsides look a little tired, makes them obvious candidates for an update. Other than that plastic Pathfinders and Vespid not to mention new allies or drone variants are pretty clear areas for G-dub to explore.

Don't get me wrong, I would like there to be some truth to this, but it sounds like a conservative pieces of fan speculation. I highly doubt GW are working on codices for 2012 this early in 2010.

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oooooo I really hope these rumors follow through. I have been jonesing for a new codex for a while now.

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 Post subject: Re: Tau rumors on BoLS
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Honestly, this is all fairly predictable.

Tau codex in 2011-2012 is pretty obvious, just from looking at GW's update cycle. Tau are popular and selling well enough not to get the DE treatment, and they will be one of the last 4th edition codices to get an update to 5th edition.


New crisis suit models are pretty much inevitable. The new forgeworld designs just look so much better, and especially with the release of the XV9, go in a very different direction. And since the battlesuits are a central part of the Tau army, they're something that everyone is going to want to buy, making them a very good choice if Tau are going to get any new models.

New characters are inevitable. It happens with every new codex, just looking at all of the recent ones tells you that Tau are going to get the same treatment. Three characters (one of which is utterly useless) is just not the standard anymore.

New allies are not really inevitable, but not really a surprise either. It fits the Tau theme very nicely, and it's an easy way to add new models that a lot of people are going to want to buy. In fact, it's really the only way for GW to get truly creative in the 40k universe, at least without creating an entirely new army.

Shadowsun's removal/editing is fairly predictable. She's a character that not many people like because of her contradicting roles/equipment, and suffers from some of the 5th edition changes. Obviously removal is the easy way out, but it would also make sense to see some changes to give the character more focus.


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The centaur like allies date back to Tau original concept art by Crillo, it'd be interesting to see but not exactly a new idea.

Took them almost ten years to get around to them?

The sooner a Tau codex gets released the better, and new suits would be awesome.

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I have trouble with these rumors, because I remember last summer how everyone was going on about how the new Tau Codex would be released mid-late 2010.

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Now I hear 2011, 2012. No veracity in any of it of course, as was pointed out above, but I as many others am desperately hoping for a model and version update. If our update is to come very late in the cycle of editions, as always, then what is the point? We get updated to the 5th edition ruleset right before 6th edition? Then we will be in the same position as before. It's just not a model I like. I'd love to see a release schedule, or find out where those 2010 rumors came from.

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 Post subject: Re: Tau rumors on BoLS
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I agree with tyranny12; they waited until late in the cycle last time around to give Tau a new codex, and if they do the same again we'll be stuck in last-edition limbo yet again after maybe a year. Save the Soul Drinkers or Amber Foxes or whatever other SPace Marine chapter for that time slot, not an entirely separate army-be it Tau, Eldar, Necrons, or whomever.


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 Post subject: Re: Tau rumors on BoLS
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I'd hope shadowsun stays in but with 'fixed' rules, I've used her in a couple of battles and the model is probably one of the best GW tau builds. I have to admit tau have to be in the running for an update soon, dark eldar I assume would be first given that they are still 3rd ed codex?? or very early 4th, (only started last year so not to sure when 3rd, 4th and 5th changes happened). Aun'va is however as you said totally useless, and I cant say I've used farsight yet...don't have enough suits :P but we are sorely lacking in named characters in comparison to most of the other codexes. Cross fingers its towards the end of this year or early next for the update, GW certainly seem to be blitzing through the new codexes and models.

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 Post subject: Re: Tau rumors on BoLS
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Getting a codex update towards the end of the current edition might not be a bad thing. The Beastmen book is coming out soon and then TK after that, and then we get 8th Ed fantasy. But there is stuff in the Beastmen book that is so boggling to the current 7th ed meta game that people were left with 1 conclusion. It's pretty much written with 8th Ed in mind. I know that future proofing books close to new editions isn't what GW is known for, but for all we know, this could be the start of a new trend.

Personally, the rumours all sound nice, I generally take all those things with a pinch of salt, but thanks for pointing it out, as I don't read BoLS. And again, personally, I would prefer a new codex and models sooner rather than later. Drop everything and work on Tau, we won't mind. :)

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I'm anticipating an update to our actual abilities more-so than just getting new models. Having some way of being mobile or being able to at least resist the slew of fast-moving assaulters is--to me--more important than getting shiny new "stuff". Then again, if the new stuff addresses this issue at the same time, well that'd be two birds with one stone.

As for Auxiliaries, I would -like- for the ones we have to become more useful (especially the painfully-tricky Vespid), but some new ones would be nice as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Tau rumors on BoLS
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I agree with the few posts above me - If we were to get a new codex I would much rather see it sooner in the cycle rather then later or simply wait until 6th edition comes out and then release it then (only if it was to be released late into the 5th ed cycle that is)

In a new codex I would much rather see tweaks to the current units and the addition of some special characters wouldn't be a horrible thing though it does seem fairly un-Tau like to have a massive amount of them (Considering SCs usually change how the army is played - like Chapter Tactics - and the Tau have relatively few variations of fighting styles). I would like to see the Vespid get some love even if it was just a reduction in points as I don't much mind their fragility as it helps to balance them.

More HQ choices would be quite nice (Hammerhead HQ?)

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myself I would love to see a Tau sept codex, and a Tau allies/auxillaries codex, and both could be used together or on their own, that would open a vast range of minis for GW and give us a lot of options ( hopefully), but I would also like for them to give Orks a seperate clans codex aswell,
I mean how many flavors of marine do we realy need :roll: , I mean they all kill stuff dead, its just in the acessories...

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 Post subject: Re: Tau rumors on BoLS
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I not gonna lie, I don't have a vast pool of experience from which to draw from in this particular matter (new tau codex rumors being reasonable or not), but in my humble opinion it is best to just ignore the majority of rumors.

It would appear that Games Workshop's schedule for release is a new codex every 3 months (those months being January, April, July, and October). Now, maybe that is just a fluke, or maybe it could even speed up, or maybe I am COMPLETELY mistaken and someone will be polite enough to correct me shortly after I post this :P ... but I think it has happened enough times in the recent past to be a reasonable assumption for the future. That having be said (or more appropriately, THEORIZED :D ), there are still two codices for 2010 that have yet to be named.

This could potentially see two non-Imperial armies released... possibly one from the group of Dark Eldar/Necrons and one from the group of Eldar/Tau (this is not even speculation as much as a total shot in the dark ;) ). Alternatively this could potentially see two MORE imperial codices (Inquisition and Redux Dark Angels for instance). Even more alternatively, we could see a non-imperial codex in July, followed by an Imperial codex in October... thus evening out the tally for the year to Two Imperial and Two non-imperial.

I have presented this "theory" in opposition to rumors because I don't feel that there are a lot of rumors that really hold a lot of merit. I don't recall having heard a lot of rumors about space wolves getting a new codex before they came out, or for Tyranids either. Now, maybe I just wasn't looking for those rumors, because I was too busy looking for rumors about the tau... but the impression that I got was that there is a rumor for every possible outcome. When there are so many rumors that all bases have been covered, you no longer have a list of "things that I heard might happen"... you have a list of "things that could statistically happen".

So I guess it's not that I have a problem with rumors in general, or even the specific rumors that are floating around at this exact moment... it's that there are five hundred different rumors, that are all equally confident of their righteousness.

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 Post subject: Re: Tau rumors on BoLS
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I agree with firetrident. GW has been pumping things out at a rapid pace lately. We have seen a slew of new codexs, terrain and models. This year alone they have said Tyranids, Battle Missions and Blood Angles. By my count thats three new books we know about and only 17 days into the year. And only covering us through April on new releases! Especially with the xv9 making as much noise as it has, I really see the tau getting a new codex before the end of the year.

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I wouldnt go so far as to say we will get one this year but within the end of next year I do see that. Keep in mind the other armies that are going to get redone hopefully before us even. Then look at modle sales and what is popular. If you go with the latter I see us getting a book mayby by the beginning of next year but no sooner than that. I would be truly suprised to see Tau on the list for a few more months.

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Certainly heard (well... read) versions of these rumours for ages. That said, nice to see there is some traction to this round. I think I'm not surprising anyone when I say, bring on the new Battlesuits. ;)

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I would have to say that this is not too far from the truth:

September 09- "phil when are Tau getting a reboot"- "just started work on them last week mate"
(indicating that at the earliest Q1 2011 could be feasable)

Crisis and Broadside- Not sure on the Broadside, but with Matt Hudsons stuff having been around for some years (test sculpts- really!!!) and the inherent issues with the XV8's, I have heard that they 'may' get some love with the Battlemission book launch.

Other than that, I would imagine that:
O'shovah
Aun'va
Anghor Prok
Aun'shi
O'Shaserra

Would still make the cut- just because the rules may be broke right now, does not mean the necessary disposal of 20%+ of the races key figureheads!? These guys are all tied intrinsically to the history/ fluff of the army and so, bringing them up to date would make more sense to sell more units?
In addition it would be nice to have:
A broadside special- Puretide seems to be always penned as this- was he a XV88 commander?
A pirhana 'Maverick'
A Devilfish/ Hammerhead specialist

Bare in mind that all the codi to date have had in the region of 8 characters and generally, they are used to enhance the effectiveness of most of the army- Tau, in particular lend themselves to this, so I cannot believe in them being cut.

The Centaurs (plus others) have been around since the 2nd Codex launch- care of Mr Cirillo. I would imagine the 'fluffing up' of the existing Auxilliarries and then the addition of maybe one more 'to expand'...


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Very quickly, and I bring this up only because someone used the exact word "maverick"... but I would really like to see the stealth suit renamed... to the XV-25 Maverick Suit.

My apologies for the tangent, but I just had to get that off my chest.

Back to the rampant speculation! :P
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P.S.-(indeed, having PLASTIC models with the ability to stand without breaking would be much appreciated... that's why I never even tried to model my suits standing. They are ALL on flying bases... except for the broadsides of course, whose legs received some intense frankensteining :D )

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Wait until the rumours get out that the Tau are going to get new lizard Centaur and Demiurg allies - everyone will think it's the Zoats and Squats come round again.

I'm more inclined to put credence in comments from individuals like Phil Kelly than random speculation from the interwebs, and I think with GW churning out new releases thick and fast at the moment we're in somewhat uncertain ground when it comes to likely release dates, if any, for a new Tau Codex. If rumours are to be believed, the Dark Eldar release is suffering not so much from things not being ready, but rather from an already full release schedule and cash-heavy competing releases like the new 8th edition of Warhammer Fantasy Battle. And that makes me feel really old, because I learned to play WFB using the cardboard box edition with the "save the villages from the Slann" scenario that included a pistol-wielding Amazon, and which was followed by Ravening Hordes. But, I digress.

Tau are not going to be a top-tier release - they aren't going to get the attention that something like a new Space Marines codex or the 8th Edition of WFB will do. On the other hand, they seem to have more player support than Dark Eldar; I'd guess that Tau and Necrons are at roughly the same sort of pegging in terms of "needing" a Codex refresh, but would fit into the release schedule more easily than Dark Eldar because neither is likely to get a complete new model range. The schedule for 2010 looks fairly complete - I'd not bother getting excited until this time next year, when the 2011 release schedule will be circulating and will give an idea of where likely spots are for minor releases, and how second-tier Codex/Army Book updates are slotted in around their big releases each year based on what will have happened in 2010.

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So we're scheduled after at least 3 40K things and most likely 2 fantasy army books and then a fantasy new edition. This almost certainly puts us into 2011 and if we get a new codex before at least 1 of the other really old ones (DH, WH, necrons etc) then I'll be happy. Also if we do get our new codex just before the new edition you can be pretty sure it'll be made for the next edition (as you can see from the marine dex which was made in 4th but plays better in 5th than 4th. I'm OK waiting as long as marines don't get their NEXT codex before us. :(


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