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 Post subject: Re: Tau'n Crisis Suit-Extreme Weathering [updated May 08]
PostPosted: May 08 2008 01:17 
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Cheers on the image refit, can see it all in one go and swipe between images to get a feel for the overall project. The shoulder rail thing is how you placed the magnetic disc in the nacelle, then continued the metal paintwork along the track, but.., you painted the inside edge of the weapon mount track as the armor colour.

So, it looks like a chunk of armor over top an internal layer of metal (which shows through the track line) adding depth and mass to the armor about the nacelles.

Long winded description short, it looks very cool and will be doing it in future.

I agree on the add detail regime, you've seen where that's taken my Urban suits... ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Tau'n Crisis Suit-Extreme Weathering [updated May 08]
PostPosted: May 08 2008 04:08 
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Oh I missed this thread but fortunately was lucky enough to catch a preview pic before it was posted!

You already know that I'm pretty impressed. I've said it before but I'll reiterate that I do feel that this is the logical next step for battlesuit painting. I wonder whether toning down the corrosion effects just a bit would make all those complaining happy? ;)
Oh and one question: would some subtle highlighting (before doing the weathering/corrosion) make any improvement. I'm not talking 1990s space marine highlights, just a slightly lighter colour on the sharper corners...

I'm really looking forward to trying some similar stuff on a mini soon, but unfortunately have too many modelling projects on the go!

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 Post subject: Re: Tau'n Crisis Suit-Extreme Weathering [updated May 08]
PostPosted: May 08 2008 04:29 
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I'm really impressed of your weathering., Realistic, effective, simply striking!
The only wish we could have would be to see a full cadre painted this way, but it must need an enormous amount of work.

Just continue this way, this is the kind of feat which boosts new painters/converters to improve themselves.

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 Post subject: Re: Tau'n Crisis Suit-Extreme Weathering [updated May 08]
PostPosted: May 08 2008 05:02 
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Tael -ok, got you now and thanks for noticing. Yes, it does give it that layered armour look and glad to hear that I am on the right track with the detail instead of repair routine.

Panhead -thanks!

mangozac -cheers mate, appreciated. Logical step- maybe. I think it's something to throw into the mix and that's what I will try next, a hybrid of the styles and that's what you are suggesting with some highlighting. The reason I didnt do that this time was from a time-investment standpoint. If I couldn't make the look work then I would have ruined a nicely highlighted crisis suit. :::( So yes, that's the next step from this but won't be the next mini I show, that's more of a standard look. So maybe after that? Complainers - I would like to think of them more as well intentioned critics than "complainers" and oddly enough, ATT is the best/worst place for it. I think it's coming down to people trying hard. Perhaps a little too hard, so they are looking for things to say rather than what needs to be said if that makes sense?

As a word of friendly advice and I mean it, I would suggest that people ask questions instead of offering their personal opinions. I mean, our personal opinions are very important to that special someone in our lives ;) but perhaps not so to others right? So when I am looking at some one's work and if I think something doesn't look right, I ask a question rather than say that I think it's not right. I mean, that's win/win. Chance for me to learn something and decreases my chances of looking like I have no idea! :biggrin: That way I am gathering more information from the source -whom is always right as the owner/artist- to be better informed before coming to a decision rather than making a decision that's based only on what I am looking at and perhaps my limited sphere of experience. There's just so much out there that I both don't know about and don't understand yet, best to ask and learn than show people how much I don't know yet. It's a fundamental and very important difference.

By way of quick example, somebody mentioned that the brass rod is out of place. Which is fine, it is! But if they asked, "Why did you choose to leave the brass rod as is?" I would have replied with, "To be obviously not part of the scene due to it being a different metallic finish. I liked the contrast and thought it was part of the overall theme which is not the GW way. You see, I often find it amusing that clear acrylic rods are fine to be used as flying stands and left unpainted even though they stand out a great deal. If any other medium is used, it's most often undercoated black. An odd kind of decided pattern. So along with the anti-highlights, this is an anti-flight stand." There you go, it's a much, much more interesting dialogue and it helps to bring life and understanding to a particular miniature and also lets you in on the thought process of the artist whom made it. I find that much more interesting and entertaining than reading a bunch of personal opinions if you know what I mean? They are all fine, but in a thread like this, it;s the owner/artist whose personal opinions are on stage and they have earned our right to be heard by both creating something and sharing it with us. Sorry that it happens to be myself in this case, I truly think that we should extend that to anyone and everyone whom shared something interesting with us.

El'Myen -sure, a cadre like this might help the look to be more accessible if there were many versions of it. I would knock it down to around 50% to 80% max across the range. Pehraps beat up your commanders a little more and perhaps give them trophies. Would look good on a Farsight Enclave themed cadre. It's not that much more work that carefully doing all the highlights. It's just know-how and patience.

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 Post subject: Re: Tau'n Crisis Suit-Extreme Weathering [updated May 08]
PostPosted: May 08 2008 09:06 
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I really like those light brown streaks on it. I think that's what really makes it look good.

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 Post subject: Re: Tau'n Crisis Suit-Extreme Weathering [updated May 08]
PostPosted: May 08 2008 10:51 
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I take it there's no Fio about at the moment?
Like the mud on the the feet, colour scheme, and... scratches!
Good idea with 'no highlights' it could've looked a bit weird, but with the volume of battle damage on the thing it's actually pretty effective!
I can imagine a whole cadre of these guys on the tabletop.

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 Post subject: Re: Tau'n Crisis Suit-Extreme Weathering [updated May 08]
PostPosted: May 08 2008 03:40 
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At the request of Kai'lore to further add to his comments:
SpartanTau's PM wrote:
Thank you for commenting on my post in you Tau'n battlesuit gallery. That little line has already changed how I will look at galleries, and indeed every post, from now on. The paradigm shift for what the responders should post is for the better of the site, and I will now work on remembering it.

It is a very important and influential comment, but I fear that it may be looked over. It is nestled within a long post in a gallery with really great pictures. Maybe moving it (in edited form, most likely) to a Sticky, either for the Galleries forum or all of Research and Development, would help other wayward posters return to the path.

Hopefully more people can learn from both comments combined.

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 Post subject: Re: Tau'n Crisis Suit-Extreme Weathering [updated May 08]
PostPosted: May 08 2008 05:36 
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Has anyone ever come across a little "Golden Nugget of Truth", or GNT and had it change thier point of view on life?

Sorry Kai, to hijack the thread for a moment, but I will stand shoulder to shoulder with Spartantau in saying thank you for you insightfull thoughts on the nature of the posts that we sometimes see. I myself missed Kai's insite as he posted it as I too was looking for cool pics to comment on. After Spartan posted his PM, I re-read the entire thread looking for what he was talking about.

After much thought and grinding gears between the ears, Those simple insites will be on my mind as I post in the future.

Thanks to Spartan, and especially to Kai.

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 Post subject: Re: Tau'n Crisis Suit-Extreme Weathering [updated May 08]
PostPosted: Jun 06 2008 07:39 
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So is there a website where I can find the paints you used?

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 Post subject: Re: Tau'n Crisis Suit-Extreme Weathering [updated May 08]
PostPosted: Jun 07 2008 12:59 
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Hi Eric! The power of subscriptions at work, thank the Fio.

Not sure where to buy them online, I buy locally but can give you the list to track down if you are keen;

Gunze Sangyo Mr. Color Lacquer paints;

Grand Prix White. Yellow. Black Grey RLM 66.

Windsor Newton Oils - Burnt Umber, Paynes Grey, Light Ochre & Yellow Ochre.

Spray coat - Mr. Super Clear Flat.

Hope that helps?

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 Post subject: Re: Tau'n Crisis Suit-Extreme Weathering [updated May 08]
PostPosted: Jun 07 2008 06:46 
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Nice work Kai! Very effective chipping effects, and the paint scheme reminds me a little of Macross, which serves this model well. Makes it look like an original beta version of the Crisis suit. The head conversion furthers this illusion.

The only suggestion I could make is maybe a little bit more weathing on the black parts, I think some silver bits here and there would look great.

Kudos all around. ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Tau'n Crisis Suit-Extreme Weathering [updated May 08]
PostPosted: Jun 07 2008 09:32 
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thank you very much McCoy, much appreciated. I think you might have been the first to mention the head conversion too, that's a first as far as I know and I agree, it does give it a bit of a Macross and earlier Mk Crisis suit vibe doesn't it?

The dark grey areas have lots of chipping too so I went back and looked at the pics and I see your point, the pics show the white areas well but the dark grey definitely take a back seat. I'm not much of a fan of Tau metallic although it would open up a great deal of variety for my modelling but... I've just got the idea of hi-tech ceramics/synthetic compounds in my head.

If you really squint, you can see black chips outlined in a slightly lighter grey but will definitely make them more prominent in the future.

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