XV88 Broadsides in 8th ?

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Bloodknife92
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Re: XV88 Broadsides in 8th ?

Post#21 » Jun 03 2017 04:25

Panzer wrote:
Bloodknife92 wrote:How on earth did you get an average roll on a D6? It is literally impossible to roll an average on a D6, as there's equal chance of rolling every side....

^ this
Also if anything it would've been 3.5 since the average of 2d6 would be 7, no?

You're actually all wrong. Statistically there is no aferage on a D6. On 2D6, the average is only 7 because between the two dice, it is the number with the kost possible combinations, totalling at 6, whereas the next closest number, 6, only has 5. On a single D6, there is no most average because once again, each single number has an equal chance to be rolled, and since its only 1D6 and not 2, there is no most common possible combination, ruling out the possible average of 3.5. I would however, for argument sake, say that 3.5 is the average when trying to create a mathematical formula like you are :)
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Re: XV88 Broadsides in 8th ?

Post#22 » Jun 03 2017 04:34

Bloodknife92 wrote:
Panzer wrote:
Bloodknife92 wrote:How on earth did you get an average roll on a D6? It is literally impossible to roll an average on a D6, as there's equal chance of rolling every side....

^ this
Also if anything it would've been 3.5 since the average of 2d6 would be 7, no?

You're actually all wrong. Statistically there is no aferage on a D6. On 2D6, the average is only 7 because between the two dice, it is the number with the kost possible combinations, totalling at 6, whereas the next closest number, 6, only has 5. On a single D6, there is no most average because once again, each single number has an equal chance to be rolled, and since its only 1D6 and not 2, there is no most common possible combination, ruling out the possible average of 3.5. I would however, for argument sake, say that 3.5 is the average when trying to create a mathematical formula like you are :)

Yeah I know, but since you hardly ever roll only a single d6 over the course of a whole game with that weapon you can simply assume it's 3.5. It's the next best thing.

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Re: XV88 Broadsides in 8th ?

Post#23 » Jun 03 2017 04:55

What? In statistics you can simply use the expected value (which is the probability weighted average) to find the average outcome for something like a dice roll. Using the most common outcome as an average doesn't make a lot of sense in the context of a dice roll because - as you noted - there is no most common outcome for one D6. Your approach ends up with the bizarre quirk that you can only find an average dice roll if you roll an even number of dice. That's why the expected value is a much better measure of average; for an even number of dice it will give you the same result as the most common outcome, but it also lets you calculate a useful value for an odd number of dice.

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Re: XV88 Broadsides in 8th ?

Post#24 » Jun 03 2017 06:02

Wow, I just came here to read about how to use my broadsides in 8th.

I came away having received a lesson on D6 statistics and wondering what a monat broadside is?

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Re: XV88 Broadsides in 8th ?

Post#25 » Jun 03 2017 06:11

'Monat' is the super nerdy way of referring to a single suit.

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Re: XV88 Broadsides in 8th ?

Post#26 » Jun 03 2017 06:45

@bloodknife92
You still talk about most common outcome calculation.
We use expected value in our calculation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expected_value

@hungry_bert
The more you know :D
Though I remember the term Monat being quite commonly used on ATT.

We really should go back discussing broadsides now...

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Re: XV88 Broadsides in 8th ?

Post#27 » Jun 03 2017 06:58

Raverrn wrote:'Monat' is the super nerdy way of referring to a single suit.

If you don't like how Tau things are named this is probably the wrong forum for you. :roll:

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Re: XV88 Broadsides in 8th ?

Post#28 » Jun 05 2017 07:34

Thanks for the education chaps :D

I'm thinking of taking a railside into a 500 point Patrol detachment battle against a Tyranid player. I suspect he will be taking his winged hive tyrant and about 60 gaunts.

Does this sound like an efficient use of points or should I go for something that'll work better against the gaunts as well as the tyrant?

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Re: XV88 Broadsides in 8th ?

Post#29 » Jun 05 2017 07:43

Hungry_Bert wrote:Thanks for the education chaps :D

I'm thinking of taking a railside into a 500 point Patrol detachment battle against a Tyranid player. I suspect he will be taking his winged hive tyrant and about 60 gaunts.

Does this sound like an efficient use of points or should I go for something that'll work better against the gaunts as well as the tyrant?

I actually think he is way too expensive for a 500p game but go ahead and report back. If you are sure he takes his flyrant, take Velocity Tracker for the +1 to-hit on him as well. :D

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Re: XV88 Broadsides in 8th ?

Post#30 » Jun 05 2017 07:44

The Missileside, especially with ATS, will perform better in most cases, to be honest. The tyrant has only 10 T6 wounds and a 5+ ward save, and it can't benefit from the character rule, so 8 S7 AP2 D3 missiles are bound to be more damaging than 2 S8 AP4 D6 railguns, even with the chance of a mortal wound.

Or, if he isn't bringing a lot of shooting, just flood the board with ion rifle pathfinders. The pathfinders themselves work rather well with M7 and carbines against hordes.

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