6th edition Tau Tactics: the "Tau Bastion"

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Re: 6th edition Tau Tactics: the "Tau Bastion"

Post#11 » Nov 22 2012 09:40

Jefffar wrote:I think you may be reaching the modeling for advantage realm there, however as each firing port works for 2 models, 2 ports on one side are enough to give a broadside team complete freedom to fire.


I could certainly see people taking issue with putting all 4 heavy bolters on one facing of it, but I don't think the GW model looks very "Tau" and was hoping to make my own. Best to make sure it has the exact same features in the same places, just to be safe, I suppose?

As to the Skyshield, the ability of jetpack infantry to move freely over it while others treat the step up as difficult terrain is certainly handy, but I'm not sold on the use of it to deepstrike. Unless you're trying to set up a killing ground, I'd think you'd usually want your deepstrikers to hit the enemy where they are most disorganized, not where they'll likely direct the bulk of their force. I can see some tactics of using the Positional Relay to delay reserves, then drop all of them onto the Skyshield, but any opponent worth their salt will probably just stay away from it.

Actually, that could work. Use the Skyshield as a deterrent; put one important "bait" unit (Broadsides, perhaps?) in it, and keep them safe from short-range units with the threat of a mass Crisis drop, but don't bother actually dropping units into it unless it's threatened.

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Re: 6th edition Tau Tactics: the "Tau Bastion"

Post#12 » Nov 22 2012 11:03

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Jefffar wrote:I have yet to try it, but I have been thinking of Broadsides in the Bastion and a Sniper Drone team on top.

The Sniper Drone team would have a 2+ Cover Save, the Spotter is BS 4 for better quad gun effectiveness and the Sniper Drones can engage a different target due to their inherent target locks.


That sounds really good! I might have to convert up a bastion and try that.

Speaking of conversions, the entry for the Bastion has me wondering a few things. It's armed with 4 Heavy Bolters, but the text says "typically one on each facing". Does that mean I can model mine with all 4 pointing in the same direction? Similarly, if the access points and fire points are "as per model", does that mean it has whatever I model it with? Are there limitations to this? What do you think is reasonable to bring to a friendly game, or to a tournament?


In a friendly game, you can do anything you want as long as your opponent is okay with it. In a tournament, you will most likely be required to use an official model - or at least one that is functionally equivalent - but speak with your tournament organizers to see what is and is not allowed.
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Re: 6th edition Tau Tactics: the "Tau Bastion"

Post#13 » Nov 23 2012 10:33

Broadsides do seem to be the most natural fit for the bastion garrison. Offensively, they can maximize damage from limited firepoints. Defensively, since all of the wounds that get assigned to a garrisoned unit are AP-, broadsides will always be able to take armor saves, until the bastion is destroyed. The bastion will also provide excellent LoS and arcs of fire.

Additionally, if you plan to use broadsides as a garrison in this way, shield drones should be included, since like the broadsides they will be able to take armor saves, but more importantly the owner of the garrison allocates wounds as they see fit. So the drones will always die first, and always take 2+ saves.

The quad gun (or icarus) is pretty much an auto include for flyer deterrent of course.


Keeping the bastion intact may be an issue; it may be possible to confer a cover save by positioning vehicles in front of it (someone with a bastion model can test that one). I'm also not sure where the rules come down on this; the buildings section in the rulebook doesn't seem to weigh in on whether or not buildings can get cover saves, and there is no FAQ, either. I'm operating under the assumption that they be treated like vehicles in this regard and would need 25% coverage to claim a cover save.

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Re: 6th edition Tau Tactics: the "Tau Bastion"

Post#14 » Nov 24 2012 08:26

This has potential, and may have me converting up Sniper Drones and Bastions for Apoc. The question I only have is the points cost for a bastion, and how much of a target it'll be. I'm guessing the bastion will cost around 100-200 points and in addition, the units that'll be occupying it.
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Post#15 » Nov 24 2012 08:36

Yeah, me too. I whipped up a makeshift bastion today. Looked pretty good until I basecoated it with spray paint. On a related note, don't spray paint HD foam. :dead:

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Re: 6th edition Tau Tactics: the "Tau Bastion"

Post#16 » Nov 24 2012 08:40

VK-Duelist wrote:This has potential, and may have me converting up Sniper Drones and Bastions for Apoc. The question I only have is the points cost for a bastion, and how much of a target it'll be. I'm guessing the bastion will cost around 100-200 points and in addition, the units that'll be occupying it.


Rules for the bastion are in the 6th ed rulebook, including points cost. You can see about how big it is on the GW website, the picture shows a few Space Marines for comparison.

I do see an issue with opponents deciding it's easier to blow up the Bastion rather than kill the units inside, but that means they'll have to devote anti-tank fire to that, instead of your other units. Deploying it in "cover" (either Hammerheads or existing terrain) will help.

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Re: 6th edition Tau Tactics: the "Tau Bastion"

Post#17 » Nov 24 2012 08:57

BabaGanoosh wrote:Yeah, me too. I whipped up a makeshift bastion today. Looked pretty good until I basecoated it with spray paint. On a related note, don't spray paint HD foam. :dead:


You didn't coat in it glue? Tsk. Tsk.
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I know about size, and I have the 6th edition book, I just don't remember the points cost. The problem I see with this idea is the fact that my friends give Las Cannons and Missile Launchers to their units like candy, that could easily destroy the bastion.
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Re: 6th edition Tau Tactics: the "Tau Bastion"

Post#18 » Nov 24 2012 10:08

Using the Sniper Drone spotter to fire the Quad-gun seems like an idea with definite potential, but you have to ask yourself whether sacrificing a railgun slot in favor of Sniper Drones is a worthy option. I personally don't think that it is, but your mileage may vary. The other downside of this tactic is that it is extremely vulnerable to Ignores Cover attacks, most notably Hellhounds, Colossus Siege Mortars, Dreadknights with Heavy Incinerators, and Heldrakes with Baleflamers. If you anticipate facing those units, I would definitely recommend using a JSJ Crisis suit to fire the Quad-gun rather than a Sniper Drone team.


VK-Duelist wrote:I know about size, and I have the 6th edition book, I just don't remember the points cost. The problem I see with this idea is the fact that my friends give Las Cannons and Missile Launchers to their units like candy, that could easily destroy the bastion.


The Bastion is almost immune to Missile Launchers (it is AV14 and glancing hits inflict one wound on the unit within, armor saves allowed), and lascannons definitely need some luck to take it down. I wouldn't worry too much about them in the context of a Bastion unless you anticipate facing very large amounts of lascannons in configurations that you cannot easily neutralize, and in those situations lascannons will likely be a serious threat to Broadside teams anyway.

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Re: 6th edition Tau Tactics: the "Tau Bastion"

Post#19 » Nov 24 2012 10:17

Let's see, if my memory serves correctly:

Space Wolf player:

2 TL Las Cannons on a Land Raider, 4-6 Missile Launchers on his Long Fangs

IG player:

Leman Russ Demolisher, 4 Heavy Weapons Teams with Las Cannons

Chaos Space Marine player:

4 Havocs with Las Cannons

Those are my threats and I mainly use my Broadsides (3) for the Land Raider and Leman Russ, while using Sniper Drones for the Havocs, Long Fangs, and HWTs.
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Re: 6th edition Tau Tactics: the "Tau Bastion"

Post#20 » Nov 25 2012 11:18

Fetterkey wrote:Using the Sniper Drone spotter to fire the Quad-gun seems like an idea with definite potential, but you have to ask yourself whether sacrificing a railgun slot in favor of Sniper Drones is a worthy option.


I wouldn't recommend spending the points for fortifications at anything below 2000, where the double FOC makes taking all the HS goodness you want fairly easy.

Another option for it, in case you really want 3x6 broadsides, is to take a monat deathrain+ Team Leader with a HWMT to fire 6 TL BS4 S7 shots a turn.
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